Open Letter to Darwin Fish Owners
February 22nd, 2005
Dear Darwinian,
Please first understand that this letter is not to dispute over the theories of Darwin. Although, that they have been proven to be in error and still remain as fact in many textbooks is troubling, that will be a topic for another time. Thankfully paleontologists already confirm his erroneous theories are simply fables. This letter is to discuss the symbol of your religion: the Darwin “fish”. Yes “religion”, as you have greater faith than I to believe that random chance created the intricate and delicate balance of the universe all from an exploding speck of dust.
What you may not have known when you bought your charming, legged, fish is that it is a symbol of hate. It is more racist in its creation than a burning cross or swastika. Simply because, the symbols mentioned are perversions of their peaceful and spiritual origin. Your fish however was created specifically to reflect (worship) on Darwin’s (your prophet) theories about the omnipotent one: time (your god).
At this point I am sure you greatly concerned, as you never intended to be a bigot or a sexist. You were simply demonstrating your pride of your heritage (a chimp, I believe?). This probably seems no different than anyone displaying a flag of their heritage or even the “Jesus fish”. (I personally am not a big fan of this “emblem” either, as it has become synonymous with poor or rude driving) However, please consider the full content of this letter.
First, there is a misconception about the title of Darwin’s book, “The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection”. This is, in fact, half of the truth. The full title to Darwin’s book is, “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life”. Did you catch that? “Favored Races”? Adolph Hitler certainly did, hook, line and sinker. Adolph was very much interested in and influenced by Darwin’s work.
Maybe the title alone is not convincing enough that you might be poorly representing your evolutionary theology. Let’s examine an excerpt from a letter written by Darwin in 1881:
The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world
This instance was not an anomaly among Darwin’s writings. This idea of superiority among races was reiterated in his book The Descent of Man:
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world.
It is this type of inane racist banter that fuels butchers like Adolph Hitler and Karl Marx. Their philosophies powered by evolution led to the destruction of millions of so-called “subhuman” Jews and Christians respectively.
The racist statements you are supporting are hidden only to the uneducated (on this subject). Unfortunately that lack of education and awareness stretches so far that the very people that flaunt the Darwinian fish emblem are most likely unaware. This is precisely the reason for this open letter appeal.
To further illustrate the bigotry being displayed and the deception of those using this “religious” symbol, I was surprised to notice several females with it adorning their vehicles. That is not to say that women cannot be racist but rather, one would think they would not be sexist… against women!
Again in The Descent of Man we find a startling admission of Darwin’s view of women under the subheading “Difference in the Mental Powers of the Two Sexes”:
… the chief distinction in the intellectual powers of the two sexes is shewn by man’s attaining to a higher eminence in whatever he takes up, than can woman –whether requiring deep thought, reason, or imagination, or merely the use of the senses and hands…. We may also infer … [that] the average of mental power in man must be above that of woman.
While my own religion, which is that of The Messiah, teaches of the equality of all humanity; it is one that is mocked by the many Darwinians. While again I must reiterate that this is not an evolution vs. creation debate. (Thankfully, science has already proven evolution an unworthy candidate.) This is however an appeal to understand the symbol you so proudly display of your prophet. It is much more than a symbol of chimp-like ancestry. It is a logo of hate, sexism and bigotry. Please won’t you give up the hate and join the rest of the enlightened world?
Yours because I am His,
Shane
October 9th, 2005 at 5:23 pm
People like you make me wish there were a hell.
October 9th, 2005 at 5:59 pm
What part did you find bothersome? The racism? If that bothered you then I suspect you may have feelings of bigotry?? In which case, thank you for demonstrating my point.
Is the fact that I believe in a Creator what bothers you? Let me ask you a very simple question. If there is no God, why would you ever care what I think? If we all end up as dust, then what harm is there in believers? An atheist getting annoyed by believers is completely hypocritical. I suspect that is why you hide your identity while I do not. You want people to believe what you believe. That would be faith and/or a religion! You do realize of course that if you are correct, nothing happens to me. If I am correct you very well may suffer the second death. (hell as an eternal torment is not Scriptural… that is pagan mythology)
I’ll pray for you. Shalom.
October 10th, 2005 at 5:19 am
Thanks Shane !
Those evolutionary people wouldhave us coming from the ape ….
I ahve a question for them, if we are to believe for a moment in science, we are th en aware of the Gene phenomenon, DNA and all.
IF so still than i wonder, my physical caracteristic are like those of my grnad parents and some of my great grand father, thisis a fact aknowledge by my family .
Then i find it strange that the so call gene theing would not have reproduced an ape form us, i nall those years, certainly when one is considering the chance meeting among us, both of the happy reunited should have those ape genes, and it a miracle to me that the genes of the ape should not come up, not oce within all of humanity !
Then we are to beilieve that we are the way we are because we did stand up, and tha we aeat meet …
So why all the apes that i know of,are standing staright while sitting or eating meat, some of them dfo have rather the tooth for it, why then are they not yet like us ?
ANd if we were to come from ape, which one would that be, they are apes tha are30 com high other are like the gorillas and orang otang much higher, which ones would you darwiners ( winers of Dar, that would probably be Dar..vader) would uyou have us to be ?
I hate all of this scientific crap, that is all filthness to me, certainly when it is directed of having us think or even attempting believe in it, this is an illusions man’s made, one should never fall for it, to have Faith is just that, no room or fancies of illusions, period !
Luckily for us, What we discuss or not is pof no consequence for The Glory of God, He is that HE is that He is, the fool who attempt to change that is just that , a fool , but in His Grae and Mercy, that fool is saved too, that ’s Wisedom !
Shalom to us all,
Moshe Hai ben David.
February 26th, 2006 at 10:26 pm
Dear sirs,
A friend of mine tells me Darwin had never said or written that man came from apes or monkeys. What should I tell him?
April 28th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Shane, I see you’re bitter. That’s sad. You’re also very confused.
First off, Darwin and evolution are not synonymous. Darwin was man. Evolution is a culmination of several scientific theories. Darwin’s contribution to these theories was the premise that life evolves due to natural selection (genetic drift comes later). Whether or not Darwin was a misogynist or a racist has no bearing on the validity of evolution the explanation for the diversity of life.
Evolution is solid science, not superstition (like God, Jesus, and the Easter Bunny). Exactly where are you getting your information from? No accredited forensic anthropologist or biologist denies evolution.
It’s obvious that you’d like to believe that naturalists worship Charles Darwin. What can I say? I guess it’s the most asinine thing I’ve read all week. It’s as if you need to pigeon whole logical minds into a “religion” in order to give your laughable argument legs. This is science son. You’re in the wrong class.
And your religion hardly teaches love or equality. Pick up that Bible. You’ve got some homework to do.
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Ehh… I don’t even know why I bother.
April 28th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Edger
I’m not sure what you feel I am bitter about… maybe, I never really thought about it.
This absolutely is not true. This is where you want to shift and ask me to prove that it is not true. Science does not work that way… you made the point, you prove your point. Since you like to use science then prove that there is no such thing as a scientist that does not believe in evolution. Funny thing science… you actually have to follow your own rules and it would take you over a lifetime to prove just this one point. Good luck with that.
I know! Praise God!!!!! (but ad hominem really has nothing to do with logic does it?)
Actually, you are confusing the inequality based on actions with inequality base on race. I could explain to you how the chosen people where all originally pagans and that Egyptians were among the Israelites, but you probably don’t want to hear that Bible “fiction”.
You’re right though… I should pick The Scriptures up and study more.
As for why you bother… that is what perplexes me about all atheists… if there is no god at all… what possible reason could you have for trying to convert me?!?!?!? Why would you be opposed to me helping and feeding the poor, widows, orphans, etc.
Well, out of respect…
May the blessings of nothing-happens-when-you-die be upon you and yours.
April 28th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
You Shane, are a complete moron. If I thought you had an IQ above room temperature I’d explain the numerous logical snags in your “open letter”. But I don’t. You’re poofing. Sorry…
April 28th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Uh.. well said?? Okay, you got me there.
May the peace of the exploding speck of dust be with you.
April 28th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
“Although, that they have been proven to be in error and still remain as fact in many textbooks is troubling, that will be a topic for another time.”
First lie. Evolution is fact, creationism is fiction.
“Thankfully paleontologists already confirm his erroneous theories are simply fables.”
Second lie.
“This letter is to discuss the symbol of your religion: the Darwin “fish”. Yes “religion”, as you have greater faith than I to believe that random chance created the intricate and delicate balance of the universe all from an exploding speck of dust.”
Strawman fallacy. Learn your logic, and your science. Evolution has nothing to do with how or why existance is, just in how life changes over time. There is nothing in evolution that suggests anything about how life began. That’s abiogenesis. Completely different topic.
“What you may not have known when you bought your charming, legged, fish is that it is a symbol of hate. It is more racist in its creation than a burning cross or swastika. Simply because, the symbols mentioned are perversions of their peaceful and spiritual origin. Your fish however was created specifically to reflect (worship) on Darwin’s (your prophet) theories about the omnipotent one: time (your god).”
This is pure fiction. Fiction that you don’t even attempt to back up with reason, fact, or logic. Proving how assailable your position really is. And the idea that Darwin is worshipped like a god is ludicrous. I might as well say you worship Edison and Davy for the light bulb.
“At this point I am sure you greatly concerned, as you never intended to be a bigot or a sexist.”
Should you show I am one I may become concerned, though I’ll know I’m still far better off than any theist. Bigotry, racism, and sexism are the hallmarks of religion.
“First, there is a misconception about the title of Darwin’s book, “The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection”. This is, in fact, half of the truth. The full title to Darwin’s book is, “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life”. Did you catch that? “Favored Races”? Adolph Hitler certainly did, hook, line and sinker. Adolph was very much interested in and influenced by Darwin’s work.”
Hitler was even more influenced by the catholic church. Your point? Oh yeah, I just nullified it. Oops.
“It is this type of inane racist banter that fuels butchers like Adolph Hitler and Karl Marx. Their philosophies powered by evolution led to the destruction of millions of so-called “subhuman” Jews and Christians respectively.”
One look at the crusades shows just how hypocritical a comment this is. I wonder how it would have looked had the christian terrorists had modern weaponry. Hitler would probably look pretty good in comparison.
That aside, it doesn’t matter what Darwin’s personal beliefs were. In science, the man is not recognized as an ultimate authority(unlike religion). The man is a man. The science has nothing to do with the mans philosophies. Merely the science. And since every credible scientist for the last hundred odd years has contributed to proving evolution, attacking Darwin in an attempt to disprove it is laughable at best.
I would continue in the deconstruction of your lies and logical fallacies, but I have better things to do. I’ll post this response at [link removed by editor] , just in case you don’t have the intellectual honesty to leave this up. Perhaps you’d like to take a swing by and see just how little you know about what you think you know.
April 28th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
I agree, “Evolution is fact, creationism is fiction” is indeed the first lie.
Who’s on first? I’m trying to discuss point by point but some of your points don’t have points.
Riiiiight. Evolution goes back to the exploding speck, to cooling magma, oxygen releasing from rocks (yeah, you actually believe your ancestors were rocks!), a deformed bacteria… etc. etc. Let me try to explain my paragraph… hyperbole! Let’s see if I can use logic… You believe something that you cannot test in a lab (which violates science). Since you cannot actually test in billions of years of evolution, you BELIEVE your theories. That is the definition of religion my friend. BELIEF! May I remind you that it is still called the THEORY of evolution. Yet you oddly contest that it is fact. Hmmm, you got a problem there.
H-Y-P-E-R-B-O-L-E
I apologize that I and everyone that knows me just laughed… my opinion of the Catholic “church” (the institution, not people) is probably lower than yours. You, in fact, bolster my point as John Paul endorsed evolution. Um… “oops”.
AMEN!!! Can I hire you to come on my seminars?!?!? If I say that statement, I won’t be invited back and that is counter productive. You on the other hand; you’re just going to be biofuel anyway so what do you care!?!?
You missed the point of the letter… if you brand your car with his name it DOES matter!!! The emblems don’t say evolution, they say DARWIN! You almost had a point, but as I stated in the letter, I am not arguing evolution, rather the hateful representation of the emblem.
I’m waiting for you to start…
Be one with the dirt…
May 4th, 2007 at 7:45 am
There is so much that is fallacious here….I’ll just point out the two things I didn’t see debunked on the [reference removed by editor] website.
“While my own religion, which is that of The Messiah, teaches of the equality of all humanity; it is one that is mocked by the many Darwinians.”
Nowhere in the old or new testament of the bible does it suggest that all people are equal. All believers, yes, in one verse that Paul supposedly wrote. However, the writer went back on his misogynistic track later on in the letter, so I don’t think the one verse really validates this claim. There are a lot of instances in the bible of one form of racism or another, and a lot of anti-nonbeliever discrimination. Do you know of the “Curse of Canaan/Ham” which was written, essentially, to justify the horrible mistreatment of the Canaanites? Later on, it was used to justify mistreatment of black people. Meanwhile, Darwin opposed his distant cousin Francis Galton’s Eugenics idea, which is what Hitler ACTUALLY took from.
Secondly, one must take the time and place he lived into consideration. Racism and misogyny was rampant in 19th century Europe, and the UK was no different. If Darwin truly was racist, he’d be conforming to the standard of the time.
May 12th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
I don’t believe as most Christians do, that is why they get caught in so many contradictions. By the way, I really don’t “classify” myself as a Christian so your religious hypocrisy arguments don’t really work on me. I’m actually on your side there. The “church” history should embarrass all those in the “church”. I believe in the same Messiah, I just don’t twist His teachings or try to “arianize” Him.
As far as a tolerant religion of iniquity, I don’t see it in Scripture. Quite the opposite. I do not see Yeshua (Jesus) and His disciples as a bunch of hippies.
As I said in an earlier response, equality of all creation is Scriptural. You are confusing groups of people that were seen as outside based on their actions. They did not want a relationship with God. (See Sodom) If you believe in a god, that god is the ruler. Turn a blind eye is an American ideal… boy that’s really working out for us.
By the way, the mark of Ham being black people is not in Scripture. That would be the Mormons, Muslims and other groups. They are severely mistaken as are you.
May deformities and mutations favor your line!
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 am
Such statements on acceptance and racism are rich coming from a religion that brought us such historical fiascos as the Crusades… Not to mention how you view those who follow other teachings or ways of life… (”We’re right, you’re wrong, you’re all going to Hell and it’s because you chose the wrong god. All men were created equal and God loves all his children, unless of course you happen to be Muslim, Buddist, liberal or gay. Oh, and a woman’s place is in the home, barefoot, pregnant and chained to the stove.”) Hoorah for Christianty’s skewed perspective on equality!
Have a nice day.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
You have some good points in there. Perhaps though you should read more thoroughly. I don’t support the Christian ideologies of the masses. No pun intended. However I do believe there is One God and I believe that invites all to Him.
The very nature of the concept of God is that God is in charge, not people or the majority. Therefore I do believe there are rewards for those in covenant with God. I do not believe in the Greek mythological view of an eternal, burning, tormenting, hell. I have yet to see this concept in Scripture, no matter what Seminary students have been told.
I know the site that you are all coming from is hell-bent (pun intended) on bashing Christians. I would suggest that you should come up with different arguments for this site. I do not support 90% of Christian dogma.
I am discussing the fact that this symbol represents a man’s bigotry and those that adorn their cars with it are proud of their racism.
You cannot point out the errancy of the crusades (which are deplorable) and think that this some how justifies your own display of hate!! That is ridiculous! Let me clue you in, BOTH are wrong, BOTH are arrogant, BOTH should be corrected.
I do not support “the church”, Rome or any of the disgusting atrocities in “the name of God”. I also do not support the idea that people of different races or genders are more evolved than another.
Plus stop trying to point out the hypocrisy of another group as a means to continue your own! It is poor, poor logic.
Shalom.
July 5th, 2007 at 12:04 am
I find it interesting that whenever I see someone on the internet making statements about evolution, they always try to make it seem exactly like whatever religion they subscribe to.
It seems as if the best way to disprove evolution in an argument is to draw paralles to whatever you believe in. This seems counterintuative to me.
That, and after someone at least makes an intelligent argument against evolution, you get lots of idiots coming in who have no idea what the concept is trying to prove it wrong like “well why didn’t my parents have an ape instead of me” and the like.
You have every right to your beliefs, but that right doesn’t make you look any less like an idiot.